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FTWDTT 067 – End of the Line (S5E16)
Talking Through End of the Line
For this episode 67 of Fear the Walking Dead Talk Through, Mark, Kyle and I talk through End of the Line. Fear the Walking Dead Season 5 Episode 16 was written by the showrunners Ian Goldberg & Andrew Chambliss, and directed by Michael E. Satrazemis.
We start with a discussion of the last episode… that also discusses this one… yet again
This episode began with feedback on S5E15 Channel 5 from Todd and Aaron. Discussion about the season finale, in particular, begins at 13 minutes 27 seconds into the podcast.
We got a wedding!
There were some good points to celebrate in this season finale. We finally have our power couple, John Dorie and June, tie the knot this episode, in a very bittersweet scene at Humbug’s Gulch. Dwight was great this episode, and the walker roundup and ride down the rapids were pretty great to watch, but we had a lot of problems with this episode.
Is it the end of the line for Morgan?
With an ending that was similar to the final scenes of Madison in the Season 4 mid-season finale, but with a much different story told on Talking Dead. That time, they were very clear on Talking Dead that Madison was dead. Since I watched it a couple of nights early because I have AMC Premiere, I had to wonder if he was going to be dead, but it turned out that they didn’t say either way. Clearly, whether he makes it through Season 6 or not, there will be some to tell. Could the long thought dead Madison save him? Could it be that Dwight did not hallucinate Sherry, that she’s really alive and tried to make contact, and that she’s the one who will save him next season? Is there a dumpster for Morgan to crawl under? 🙂
Is Ginny as glad as a grandma with a gravy boat?
Virginia, the person not the state, has a thing with alliteration that I’m making fun of here and with my rating. That wasn’t the only Ginny thing that bothered me; I really had a problem with Ginny’s strategy of splitting apart the group, even as far as at the family level. If she’s really an efficiency expert, you would think she would realize that the best way for our people to be productive members of her society is for them to be content. There’s no way they will be content and productive if families have been split apart, whether they are families in the traditional sense, or in the chosen sense. She’s mean enough to keep Skidmark and Daniel apart? What good would that do?
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Please leave your feedback! We got a good dose of feedback again this week, so keep it comin’! Next time, we’ll cover any additional feedback we get for S5E16 End of the Line, and then talk through a more detailed analysis of the season 10 premiere of The Walking Dead, titled Lines We Cross. Get your feedback in by 6 PM Eastern/5 PM Central on Tuesday, October 8, 2019. One of the best ways to submit feedback is on our Facebook group. You can also send us an email at our new email: walkingdead@talkthroughmedia.com or call our new voicemail at 216-232-6146.
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Ratings are up
Ratings for S5E16 End of the Line were up from last week’s episode, S5E15 Channel 5. This week, Fear was able to get a 0.41 in the 18-49 demographic, with 1.513 million viewers, up from 0.35 and 1.440 million viewers.
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“Dwight was great this episode” – AGREED! He was easily one of the bright spots of this episode, if not the brightest, and season.
“Is it the end of the line for Morgan?” – I dare to dream; at least I hope it’s the end for him on this show but I won’t hold my breath given how much stock they put into him on this series now. “Could the long thought dead Madison save him?” – yes to having Madison back but still ship Morgan back to the main show! I figure it will be Sherri who saves him because you know Fear is TWD: Summer Vacation now not it’s own unique series anymore.
I saw what Ginny did as punishment for them, to make it hurt and you can easily use them for leverage if someone acts up because even if they lash out then you can kill the loved one before they get to them; it’s not an efficient plan I’ll agree but it’s a personal vendetta one…and who knows, maybe she’ll reunite some to show if you do what she wants she can be a “good guy”. “She’s mean enough to keep Skidmark and Daniel apart?” – that was a step too far thought and pretty much puts her in the evil camp.
On to the podcast comments…
I won’t lie, when you got excited about the end of the season I totally pictured the moment of Brandi Chastain ripping off her jersey and whirling it in the air. 🙂
“I will not be holding any punches tonight!” – yes! Unleash the kraken Brian! The writers and show decision makers have it coming.
Yes, thank you Brian, I meant the bridge idiot; he was so pointless I didn’t even care to remember his name a he’s just idiot. Ha.
For me my big issue this season, aside from Morgan as their leader (such a joke), was that it felt like plot drove the characters more than the characters drove the plot because you’d have things such as them calling in Ginny here then saying “Ah we’ll do it ourselves” the next episode when in reality Alicia, John, Strand, and Daniel at least would have been wiping out walkers at the fence before anyone could push that walkie talkie button. Also they wasted too much time with the kids when most of could have cared less about them but Logan is basically there then gone and that we wanted more on given what they set up in S4B. It was a lot of starting a story but never finishing it and it left the season feeling very lackluster story wise.
WOAH Dianna, look I know this season was bad but lets not say rash things okay; worse season finale ever – you remember the end of S4 right and how they acted like gas was neutralized when dirt touched it? This wasn’t great I’ll give you but worse? I got to say for me it’s still the end of season four as I felt dumber for having viewed that episode; season 5 I was just emotionally sad.
I’m going to go Brandi Chastain if Morgan leaves; party time if that happens!
It still baffles me how they can introduce Dwight so well to us on Fear yet fail so hard when it came to bringing Morgan on; then again maybe it’s because they simply didn’t force Dwight in, had they pushed him as the lead in season 4 and killed off Madison all the same then maybe I would be anti him too but as is I’d much rather watch him do pretty much anything than watch Morgan do his most awesome thing whatever that may be.
Mark, shooting Morgan is helping the show potentially – Ginny was doing her job. 🙂
My thing Kyle was they kept saying how they had limited ammo but yet there’s John just popping off rounds like they have them to spare…it was another example of this season being more about action pieces in my mind than characters.
If they fight her Ginny will just shoot them, easy work for her. I see it as the writers are going to say making it personal is what takes Ginny down when being all business before built her the group; it’s cliché but that’s a speciality of this writing pool. As Kyle says, I’ll watch S6 but I’m not having high expectations for it.
Grace will probably die and John and June will get that baby because “drama and emotion!”.
Dwight better remember that horse and thank him/her always!
Morgan not in S6? I vote Kyle to write season six! 😀
I’m pro the families splitting up, except Strand and Alicia who got to be together – sadly Wes is there too so they’ll probably have more romance stuff with he and Alicia (pass), Brian because it forces them to write new dynamics now. What is John like when not always stuck next to June or Morgan?! What is Daniel going to be like without Skidmark (kraken Daniel!)? So yeah that’s actually a reason to be excited about next season I feel.
Fast and good = not cheap LT. 🙂
“If Skidmark dies we riot!” – agreed! The horse was more than enough.
Ha, if Morgan’s the father I quit.
“I hope next season gets better writers!” – seconded Mark!
The moment Ginny solidified her evil is when she took Skidmark from Daniel.